1. Proper 9mm bullets yield sufficient penetration in soft tissue, but it may not stop a bear quickly enough to avoid being mauled. Using the Mag. of energy at the muzzle. Personally, multiple rounds at close range with 00 buck will rip your fucking eyeballs out, no matter what you are. It would have been just as inaccessible while my body was pumping with adrenaline. When hunting black bear, use a rifle with good sights and a scope. I was born and raised there. And he said nothing about thinking through the 29 reportswhich were somebody elses work, not his and making sure he understood them all the way through. We would like to show you a description here but the site won't allow us. They were attacked by a large grizzly bear . Since the bear usually knows where you are long before you are aware of the bear, your reaction time may be considerably less than 4.5 seconds. As a geologist, Nelson has killed four bears in defense of life and property (DLP), including two black bears and two grizzlies. In his research of hundreds of bear attacks the people who used handguns usually did not survive the attack. Thats a cool chest rig. The key to using .44 Magnum to successfully stop a large grizzly bear attack is using heavy, hardcast lead bullets and having a 6+ inch barrel to boost muzzle velocity (over short-barreled revolvers). Considered by many to be the most versatile North American big-game cartridge, the .338 Win. My hunting friend swears by his Ruger Red Hawk Alaskan. However, if you are reasonably accurate, a single strike on a vital area of a grizzly bear such as the head, shoulder, or internal vitals will generally produce a quick and humane kill. Unless its dead calm, you better be sure you know what direction the wind is blowing. Developed in 1976 by Ken Waters as a wildcat cartridge, the 7-30 Waters is based on the .30-30 Winchester necked down to 7mm to improve velocity and trajectory, with a significant drop off in felt recoil. When carrying 44 mag ammo for bear protection, it is also important to be aware of the range at which you are likely to encounter the animal. A charging grizzly bear can reach speeds of 35 mph an hour for short distances and their acceleration rate is phenomenal. has 780 ft.-lbs. As his head sagged to the ground, I shot him three more times in quick succession, out of fear and anger. You have to do more than say there are books out there, you have to read em. Your gun needs to be accessible and not overly retained. I spray with mine regularly, even though I have to buy a lot more of it, both for practice and for making sure its as potent as can be. Do not take chances with this powerful ammunition if you are unsure about your shooting ability or if there is any doubt that a bear could be stopped with the round you are carrying, it is best to retreat and seek safety. Go outside and smoke a cigarette or something. Heres an excerpt. The Black Magic Magnum is a 602-grain slug that carries 3,000 ft.-lbs. As a firefighter for 25 years in a major urban dept. Click bait makes me so mad I wish I had a .44 magnum! All with hard cast bullets. HUMANS AND PIT BULLS ONLY THING HAVE HAD TO SHOOT TO DEFEND MY SELF AND NO DESIRE TO TEST THE .44 AGAINST BEARS OR SUCH BUT FEEL THEY WILL GIVE ME THE BEST CHANCE AND I AGREE ON BEST AMMO FOR JOB. The 44 Mag does have its downsides. Im referring to the Trending now BS. As an avid outdoors person (hunting and fishing mostly)I love to mention and link to various products and gear I use. You have access to the Internets, just as others do. Hes a fear pimp. When I wrote, But how much time have you spent in the far northern woods so far in your life?, it was a statement about black bears. . Our Sitemap. Most black bears can be stopped with a bullet fired from as close as 20 yards away, but brown and grizzly bears can be much more dangerous and may require shots from further distances. I forgot to mention it, and you should get credit where credit is due. This gun has a 2.5-inch barrel and is fitted with Hogue grips. A 5" S&W 629 .44 Magnum revolver being fired with full power ammo at the point of maximum recoil. .. Im kidding, of course! Global warming? These are the most vulnerable areas on a bear. Over thousands of generations that adds up. A bear spray salesman. I wonder if Grizzly Bear Spray would have been a safe alternative in this incident for the humans involved in this incident and the Grizzly Bear Would Still be alive. LAST TIME CALLED BUFFALO BORE GOT THE OWNER AND MUCH TALK AND HELP ON CARBINE AND PISTOL ROUNDS NEEDED FOR A SITUATION SINCE I AM ARMED ESCORT FOR LIVING. What handgun can kill a grizzly bear? of energy from the muzzle. I doubt any bear could withstand two quick rounds from this one to the head! Even if you get a lucky shot with these freight trains that can run 35MPH it will probably still kill you before it dies. In this blog post, well discuss the importance of having 44 mag ammo for bear protection, and well give you some tips on how to use it effectively. (Another was uncovered after I wrote the last article.) I am looking forward to seeing them. Available in shorter versions like the Smith & Wesson 629 with 4-inch barrel, the .44 Mag. They made it to a small hunting cabin but went to find some firewood outside and upon opening the door, the bear was going to come in! https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140415-black-bear-florida-attack-habitat-wildlife-conservation/ My uncle Dale dropped a charging sow with a neck shot at the same distance with a s&w 629. It depends on the situation, as well as the type of bear in question. Why the Alaskan was designed as a snubbie? The short barrel makes this pistol quick and easy to draw and maneuver, it is lighter than most other 44 magnum revolvers. (Its the one with the 18:26 time-stamp). While a well-placed shot from a 10mm can no doubt do the trick, the .357 Mag. I use Lyman no. But bears are all-natural and organic, and everybody knows that anything that is all-natural and organic is safe and good for your health, right? You might have learned that if you didnt try to snub total strangers over the internet and instead tried to speak as intelligently as the author just did when he disputed my claims just now. WTF is your .44 doing up in a tree without your butt still attached to it? In some cases, it may not even penetrate the bear's thick hide. So yes, I did do my homework before opening my big mouth. Two or three times, he never replied, I looked everywhere, no bear, as I turned and looked behind me, ( I was setting in a camp chair) I was eye to eye with a big Boar Grizzly coming in fast, ( Luckily he wasnt charging yet) I looked him in the Eye, he was not stopping! The article was about pistols being used to defend against bears. You should be using slugs, and not just your average deer slug but hot ones, and you can forget about buckshot. I scanned the far shore to see if it was a nice one, maybe I would take it, I didnt see it, so I asked him where? But how much time have you spent in the far northern woods so far in your life? Admit that you made a mistake, Hank, and that you were wrong, and apologize. They know theyre probably going to wind up underneath any grizzly that charges, shot or not. Yes, a 44 Magnum is capable of killing a bear, although it is not recommended as a bear defense arms. .300 Remington Ultra Magnum (180gr Nosler Partition at 3,243fps)(4,202 ft lbs): 25.7 That means having the right gear, and knowing how to use it. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!!! Woot! Mag. Unfortunately, most everything else on this page is hogwash! .454 Casull Developed by Dick Casull and Jack Fulmer in 1957, the .454 Casull is a dangerous game hunters dream come true. I have a more-than-full-time job except when I have the flu,like today,and Im not going to write your articles for you. .357 S&W MagnumWhile some folks claim the .44 Magnum is the minimum for charging bears, many others have opted for a Glock 20 in 10mm Auto and, interestingly enough, passed right by the .357 S&W Magnum. He said that handguns stop attacking bears almost 100% of the time. Because of this thing called real world experience. It is all out there to do and its easy. I do have one. SEEMED GOOD EDUCATION AS MADE IT HOME DUE TO FASTER DRAW AND ONLY 4 HOLES IN ME, MANY MORE IN TWO LEGGED BEARS WITH RED STAR BELT BUCKLES. . You should instead be astonished of its success and dominance instead of blaming it on things like youre made up fake news. The comparative recoil data shows the difference between our chosen calibers. I dont have any particular issue with what youve said so far, but you must understand that by refusing to give any actual citation of your sources you are undermining your own argument. I had also noticed that your post of 13:49 was damned good. Wow. Its the statement of a man who has experience, understanding, and appreciation. You criticize Dean, he responds and asks you to provide a source for your criticism, and then you refuse, and do so in a self-righteous manner? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The 10mm is also coming into popularity because of capacity. Scotty, or Cisco or whatever his current intertube name is; I believe may be afflicted with the same disability as my unfortunate nephew. It dispels the notion that pistols are useless as a defense. The first was simply a test to see how far it would spray. Hes seen a large grizzly remain upright and functional for 90 seconds to 2 minutes after taking a fatal chest shot. Even bear spray would make more sense than peeving it off. Pistolero Magazine in the 1980s when shooting barnyard hogs found that there was no difference in killing power between the .357 magnum, .45 acp, 38 special and 919. Sure looks like a bunch of weakling dodging on your part, Hank. 8. Hunting grizz is much easier than defending against a charge but both my uncles stoped charges. Ive read about a bazillion books on camping and backpacking. Nelson says after about 20 shots, his wrist starts to swell and he can no longer shoot. A female grizzly will do almost anything to protect her cubs. Elmer Keith developed it to hunt AK Brown bears. and it bounced around inside its cranium it might stop it. Again, Im not saying this because I necessarily disagree with you, Im saying it because it hurts your own cause. GO FIGURE. It stretched from the peak of the cabin to the ground. Your comment is just what the doctor ordered. here is one of the links I had bookmarked; http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41heavy.htm . And you actually said this:handguns are the best. Youre not. 2. Some of them are like a fog. Then you have to get on target which is easier with a shorter, lighter gun. Cause theyd be weaponless from the a _ _ rape theyd get coming through Canada. grizzly charging at 30 mph, but the .44 magnum or better it will require is going to give you exactly one chance in 2.5 seconds to hit that bear precisely in the heart or brain. Is it fun to shoot? Anybody at all? When I need it, I simply have to grab my pistol and pull. Assume those links are affiliate links, which means I may earn a commission if you click and buy. Thats about the only way a handgun bullet is going to drop a charging bear that quickly. I have watched ballistic videos from a FBI training video in shot placement. Wont take too long until you go viral. Im comfortable carrying the .38, with better bullets, where I hunt. Keep your distance if possible. I had no expectation that the pistol would kill the bear. This is really what the .44 mag was designed for., Yup. Why, oh why, wasnt that gun on someones hip? Now thats a first-class comment! To answer the question completely, we would need to evaluate the . Why the Alaskan was designed as a snubbie? Sherman, set the wayback machine for September 7th, 2006. He carries a .375 H&H mag. Considered by many to be the minimum for big bear defense rounds, the .44 Remington Magnum was first introduced in 1955 for revolvers and gained widespread popularity in the 1970s thanks to Dirty Harry. And Im sick with the flu,so Im goofing off in this pathetic comments section. Note that the .38 Long Colt used in the Philipines was even less powerful than the .38 special, and US troops did in fact prefer the .45 Colt revolver to the .38 Long Colt. Weight X Velocity X Diameter /7000 = TKOF However, bigger is not always better in my opinion. The 9mm has 350 to 450 ft/lbs. That sentence wasnt even English. Bears, including grizzlies, have been killed with 22 long rifles. .73 (2 3/4) 12 GA Slug 437.5 gr @ 1560 FPS (2363/ ft lbs): 71 Im pretty sure Ive seen you as a full-time, Soros-funded troll over at The Federalist. This stopped many tigers that had attacked the hunters riding atop elephants in India! .375 H&H MagnumOne of the original belted, rimless magnum rifle cartridges, Holland & Hollands .375 is not only considered one of the best cartridges for hunting Africa, it also has a proven track record for lethality on large-bodied game in Canada and Alaska, including moose and bear. He took that bear with his Stalker..and a great ad for that gun was a pic of Larry standing and facing the end wall of the cabin after the storm, with the bear mounted flat on the wall. akgunners comment HELPS people and makes them smarter. here: Live survive love laugh and be happy, not screaming in terror before dying in pain, 7mm Remington Magnum (168gr Nosler AccuBond LR at 2,880fps): 19.6 {vacant stare}, I have lived and hunted here in Alaska for 40+years, have been face to face with bears here on a few occasions, Black, Brown, Grizzly, And Polar, Every encounter was different, only once, (so far) have I had a have to shoot situation, My hunting partner (from lower 48) and I had boated up a wonderful wilderness river, and everywhere we stopped, was covered with bear tracks, (Grizzly) ( we were Moose hunting) We stopped and made a fire and had dinner, just after dinner (8PM) my partner says BEAR!! They must have been some real badasses.. The .44 magnum boomed in the night and the boar fell straight down, his head three feet away from where I stood. MY HOG BACK UP IS MY SHORT BARREL S&W .44 THO HAVE YET HAVE ONE TO GET UP FROM REM .308 HOG HAMMERS. Some sites would have you thinking you can kill a bear with a .45 magnum even if you did manage to hit it hours before he killed you. I wonder what Larry Kelly would have to say about the negative talk here about the Magnaport Stalker handguns that his company builtand he took to Alaska and the African continent to do his testing with it way back in the late 70s or 80s. A Smith & Wesson Model 29, in .44 Remington Magnum - completely in the vein of Dirty Harry - still makes an excellent choice for the bear woods. Clint Eastwood made the 44-magnum cartridge famous with his words Its the most powerful handgun in the world.. 357 Mag, and says, when it comes to handguns and bears, what matters is getting the most hits on target in the shortest amount of time. Any way you slice it, the .357 has proven itself as a worthy close-range bear stopper. of energy, while the 10mm has about 728 ft.-lbs., both with a 180-grain Buffalo Bore bullet. If youre ever faced with a bear attack, youll need to know how to defend yourself. What happened? Scotty reminds me of an autistic. A JSP bullet at a velocity that will completely penetrate the chest of an average-size bear is probably a better choice than a hardcast SWC solid. This way it wont hurt you as much when the bear shoves it where the sun dont shine. . Mostly considered a revolver cartridge, the .44 Magnum is often chambered in rifles. They are lucky to have survived given they left their primary defensive weapon in a tree! You still need to know how to use it effectively in order to maximize its potential. Admit that you were wrong and apologize. Having gone on several backcountry hunts in bear territory, I am well aware of the need to carry a pistol that can be effective against grizzly bears. There is no doubt in my mind that the .44 magnum cartridge is a viable choice as a bear defense gun. Its similar to the one my cousin uses. Now theres some first-class thinking Thats the reason why infantrymen have left their rifles back at camp when they go into battle for the last thousand years. Actually looking for 300 grain .411 hardcast. The Griz, as he is often called, is actually the North American Brown Bear. So, show us the instances that will change the percentages. A handgun is just plain Darwinism in motion. He includes several photographs. Because of intense interest from his family and friends, Doug wrote a detailed account of the attack and the aftermath. His backup in case of a bear attack is a 500 S&W. And that was from a pretty stout rifle round, .300 Win Mag IIRC. Upon second thought, I think you just honestly misunderstood my meaning, and I may have misunderstood yours in the reply I just wrote. In the ever-evolving world of social media, we are constantly looking for new ways to connect with our readers. All of your comments are irrelevant. An instantaneous drop like that pretty much requires a spine hit for instant paralysis. Large caliber handgun ammunition is expensive. 10 BEST PADDLE BOARD AND KAYAK COMBOS 2023 WITH BUYING GUIDE, Grizzly 300 Grain Cast lead bullet wide flat nose, Buffalo Bore 300-grain hard cast flat nose bullet, Buffalo Bore 300 grain jacketed flat nose. However, if we are considering the average person on an outdoor adventure, we need to look at the best fit option. 5. I LIVE IN COLORADO BETWEEN CRAIG, CO AND BAGGS, WY. 1. Always remember to check local regulations regarding firearms when traveling in bear country. According to Hornady's data, the XTP bullets from a 7.5-inch barrel clock at 1350 fps and generate . If we consider only delivered energy, the 44-magnum cartridge resides in the middle of the range that is considered adequate for a bear defense handgun. Or cant hunt them easily/legally so shoot yourself a moose and wait around for the main event? .45-70 Government (405gr SP at 1,330fps)(1,590 ft lbs): 35.2 Since hes a doc, his wifes a doc and their hunting buddies are all doctors and/or veterinarians Im just going to assume they know what theyre on about. Zero. Hollywood has done the same thing for other rounds. .30-06 Springfield (180gr Nosler Partition at 2,750fps): 21.8 Thats why. Well thought-out, well-researched, and well-said. Knowing the approximate distance at which you will be encountering bears is an important factor in choosing the right round for your firearm. Even in the flawed study Efficacy of firearms for bear deterrence in Alaska the researchers only found 269 attacks in Alaska. CRIME AND WILD ANIMALS LIKE WHEEL OF FORTUNE SPIN, NEVER KNOW WHEN IT WILL STOP ON YOUR NUMBER. Bruh it's a black bear not a Grizzly. You criticize Dean for his 30 cases, all of which are sourced, yet you flat out refuse to source your own claims. He or she could have one of the following, a 44 or larger with at least 300 grain flat nose, or a 12 guage shorty with 00 buck or a Brennicke slug. Black bears are responsible for more human deaths and mauling s than griz and brown bear combined! You have entered an incorrect email address! My cousin lives in AK and Ive helped him dress a bear. I carry both, with bear spray on my left side and a .44 on my right, so IF the bear spray fails Im not completely f-ed. In general, you should always try to avoid any conflict with bears if possible. Be prepared to take down more than one bear if necessary. I mention this one because of its immense stopping power at extremely close distances. The dozen or so times Ive encountered bears out here, theyve either minded their own business or run the other way. Grizzlies may become aggressive for a number of reasons. 2. Kim had a Glock model 20 10 mm pistol with him. I NEVER SLING OR STRAP MY SMOKE POLE, ALWAYS IN HAND AND PISTOL NOT SECURED UNLESS DOING SOMETHING WHEN IT COULD FALL OUT IF TUMBLE. The 44 magnum when compared with the other large-caliber bear defense cartridges is rather lightweight in the recoil department. When it comes to defending yourself against a bear attack, theres no substitute for 44 mag ammo. It wasnt even language. And you cant kill cancer or diabetes with a revolver. MY BEST ADVICE HAVING HAD TO DEFEND MY SELF MANY TIMES IN WAR AND CIVILIAN LIFE IS BE AND STAY PREPARED WITH BEST EQUIPMENT CAN AFFORD AND BEST ADVICE YOU CAN SEEK. And they dont work well if you dont shake the cans from time to time, just like spray paint. When one of us has an animal down, one guts, the other stays ready for a bear. Stay safe out there! Assumption. There are some books out on bear attacks as well. Alaskan Grizzly Bear Attack Demonstrates Effectiveness of .44 Magnum, How to Horrify the Mainstream Media in One Easy Step, Gun Review: Springfield Armory Ronin EMP 3 9mm 1911, https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2017/7/6/handguns-for-defense-in-bear-country/, https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140415-black-bear-florida-attack-habitat-wildlife-conservation/, http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/41heavy.htm, https://leeprecision.com/mold-6-cav-c430-310-rf.html. As I pulled the revolver out, a sudden calm came over me, and I knew everything would be fine. Among other things, I subscribed to Alaska Magazine for about twenty years, beginning in 1975, and Backpacker Magazine from the same year, but until the early 2000s, when its subscription subcontractor made it way more trouble than it was worth anymore, and subscribed to Outside magazine for many years, along with Backpackinglight.com. Ruger just took a Super Redhawk and cut the barrel even with the frame extension. I am a fan of the .38 but grizz country aint the place for it. He never said pistols were 100% effective. Even sleeping! is the standard most American hunters use. First, I give you credit for confronting a critic, and also for being civil. No, they had whole *lot* of time to think about how to do it, holed up in a drafty, cold cave with *nothing* to do but listen to cave-wife bitch and cake-kids squabble. These are all factors that need to be considered when choosing a caliber for a serious and serviceable bear defense firearm. of energy. I APPRECIATE BEARS PLACE IN NATURE, DO NOT HUNT THEM PERSONALLY ( ELK YES, TASTES BETTER TO ME) AND RESPECTFULLY KEEP MY DISTANCE WHEN POSSIBLE. The 44 magnum is almost unspeakably more powerful than the 22 rimfire, so of course it will kill a bear. Lets face it. It might have continued on to hit the spine, resulting in the instant collapse of the bear. And if you go into the North Bush influenced by Weingarten, he just might get you killed. Among firearms platforms, a rifle delivers more energy and is effective to greater distances, making it the first choice. However, the goal of this article is simply to address the question of whether the .300 Winchester Magnum is within the ideal range of suitable calibers to harvest grizzly or brown bear. of energy at 1550 fps, which is more than double that of the 10mm and four times more energy than the 9mm. Heard that from: a city weenie whos never met a bear. At this kind of range the accuracy of the longer barrel doesnt much matter nor does the penetration, which doesnt much matter anyway. However, Ive learned a few things. TTAG has lots of writers who are smarter than him when it comes to the woods and guns. Kinda says what needs to be said comparing us to bears. Mossberg 500 vs 590: Which Shotgun Is Right for You? I believe I said the other day, .44 Rem Mag FTW! We made a simulated bear and shot it with a Desert Eagle! How many people were attacked by humans in the last 40 years? Its also capable of sending a massive projectile, like Buffalo Bores 430-grain hard-cast bullet, at roughly 2000 fps and 3,600 ft.-lbs. .600 Nitro Express (900gr Kynoch solid at 2,000fps)(7992 ft lbs): 159.4, *** Are you melting snowflake? Hes in a medical field, Id really like to know if he noticed any hearing damage after 4-5 rounds of *big boom*. Heard that from a park ranger or game warden, no doubt. Down in the article a little ways Paco talks about his bear kill. Hes read some books so hes an expert. Henrys newest single shot is easy to carry and sports fiber-optic sights and a turkey choke for deadly tight patterns. DO NOT SEE THE MTN LIONS MUCH BUT THEY ARE OUT THERE AS SEE THE TRACKS AND A GLANCE OUT THE WINDOW ONCE IN A WHILE. At anytime I can simply reach forward, undo the straps, grab my rifle and Im good to go, or so I thought. I DO NOT BELIEVE SPRAY THAT EFFECTIVE. Ruger chambers the .454 Casull in both the Super Redhawk with a 4-inch barrel and the Alaskan in a 3-inch variant, both of which are compact and easy to draw when things get up close and personal. My hope was that the shot would sting the bear and help scare him away along with the flame and loud report. I dont know if I would call it a design. Yet, they have no idea what it feels like to pull the trigger much less shoot that pistol. . The pistol, from the picture and account, appears to be a Ruger stainless single action .44 magnum. This is a website about guns, not WebMD. Holy shit you have some serious issues. Putting aside your irrelevant propagandizing about the Philippine insurrection, there is clear evidence that when comparing ball ammo, the .45 ACP is better than the .38 special and the .45 Long Colt was better than the .38 Long Colt. In this case, 44 magnum ammo tends to be much less expensive than the other large specialty calibers of ammunition suitable for bear defense. The period of time for their data set was from 1883 to 2009. The 9mm can kill bears but is considered underpowered by experienced woodsmen. This powerful ammunition can help you take down even the biggest bears. Delivered energy at a given distance, usually measured in ft-lbs. Some might think about these matters a bit more, so I also wrote some footnotes down below. When I worked as a hunting guide, my boss introduced me to our hunters as PETA Joe, do to my love of critters, I dont trust bears, theyre hard to make friends with. While some may consider it the minimum, it's plenty powerful enough to stop an onerous bear. I looked in the direction of Reed only to once again see the bear charging at me. Good on him for having the clarity of mind to make such a shot, and for having the appropriate ammo in an appropriate caliber such that it could actually travel through a large bear and disrupt the spine and cause such a necessary instantaneous stop. In conclusion, using a cartridge such as the .44 Magnum is recommended when hunting black bear in order to ensure a quick and humane kill. Grizzly bears can operate much longer that humans due to the way their circulatory system/muscles work. I could not figure out how it held the gun in place, so I grabbed the buckle and attempted to rip it off. When it comes to recognizing and responding to a bear attack, few people have as much experience as Alaskas Steve Nelson, a former research geologist for the U.S. Geological Survey whos spent the last 41 years teaching bear defense courses in the Last Frontier. With a 3-inch barrel and a six-shot cylinder combining for a weight of just 25 ounces, this gun was made to be both carried and shot. SEE IT. And by your TV remark, I guess youre a big fan of getting a fat ass by sitting around and watching the box instead of using TV as a tool to make yourself healthy, capable, and strong.
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