@reelinintheyears said: I was today years old when I found out that Roger Maris is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame. I'd have to say that anybody who beats Babe Ruth at ANYTHING deserves to be in, particularly when you see the Hall voting right now excluding McGwire, Sosa and Bonds repeatedly. Ben Shpigel has covered the Mets for The Times since 2005. His 38.2 WAR ranks him 595th overall, tied with Ray Langford and Bill Madlock. How We Ranked Baseballs Greatest Players, Election of Baines lowers the bar for the Baseball Hall of Fame, Golden Days Era Ballot for Baseball Hall of Fame, The 100 Greatest Right Fielders of All-Time >, VIDEO: Curt Flood Misplays Ball in Game 7 of 1968 World Series, VIDEO: Montreal Expos First Game and First Home Opener, from 1969, https://baseballegg.com/all-time-player-rankings/baseballs-greatest-right-fielders-of-all-time/, Mo Vaughns Exit From the Red Sox was not Pretty, In 1969, Experts Thought These Were the Greatest Third Basemen, VIDEO: Fred McGriffs First Home Run for Tampa Bay. He was not a (61) one-hit wonder: Roger Maris was a very good ballplayer. The dude in the stands has a ball. He also worked at The News Journal in Wilmington, Del., and for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. However, he had many skills that were hidden. ormer 49ers running back Roger Craig, the first player in NFL history to total 1,000 yards rushing and receiving in the same season, did not advance as a finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 2023. Playing football for his high school team in North Dakota, Maris returned not one, not two, not three, but four kickoffs for touchdowns in a single game. We could all stipulate that Mick could have beaten it. Maybe he's the chosen one. But it was only a matter of time before the Yankees would yank him (sorry) from Kansas City. He HAD an overall body of work. Before that, Curry covered the Yankees from 1991-1997. But, Maris is way, way more famous than any baseball player not in the HOF. The HoF has never had standards as low as it did starting shortly after Maris retired and continuing on and off for about a decade, and it never will again. Put them both in. The Veteran's Committee elected former Pirates second baseman Bill Mazeroski in to the Hall. A Yankees home jersey worn by Maris during the 1961 regular season is now a part of the I mean it's hard to choose him over Rudi or Bando, much less the likes of Jackson or Grich. Roger Maris Claim to fame: This October will mark the 50th anniversary of Roger Mariss 61st home run in the 1961 season. It broke Babe Ruths 34-year single season record and stood another 37 years until Mark McGwire hit 70 home runs in 1998, and it remains the defining achievement for Maris. The excitement was building because Roger was six ahead of Ruth's record total. It was the Yankees versus the Red Sox. Ford Frick was a sports writer and broadcaster before he became NL president in the late 30s and commissioner of baseball in the late 50s. Maris had 58 home runs on September 18 when the Yankees came to Baltimore for a four game series. But agreed with your thought, it would be an interesting thing to consider Barry Bonds seeing Maris in first. You judge a player by the impact he had in his time. other than that, his whole career was pretty good not great. If I may point out,the collectors of baseball data are implying that all inductees do not need a special numeric threshold to be inducted. Maris pursuit enthralled a generation as he and teammate Mickey Mantle -- The M&M Boys -- spent a summer aiming for what was then considered to be an unbreakable mark. Maris did not accomplish that. Unless otherwise specified my posts represent only my opinion, not fact. Number 60 came at Yankee Stadium off Baltimore's Bill Fisher on September 26. We would spend one season with Cleveland and the Oakland Athletics before being traded to the New York Yankees in a seven-player deal in December 1959. He was a two time (consecutive) American League MVP, a seven time All Star (1959-1962 2 All Star games a year), and a Gold Glove outfielder. @CardGeek said: He and his wife, Pamela, live in New Jersey. Nobody seated in the upper deck. Finally, Maris waved his cap to the cheering crowd of 23,154 fans that gave him a standing ovation. At times, all three were superstars, and important in baseball history, but while Cuyler was selected to the Hall, hes not among the all-time great outfielders. I really don't think there are fixes to a lot of the problem in these industries. In the 60s-90s and most of the 2000s most people couldn't even watch this video easily. Gil Hodges, Jim Kaat, Minnie Mioso and Tony Oliva were elected by the Golden Days Era Committee (1950-69), while Bud Fowler and Buck ONeil were chosen by the Early Baseball Era Committee (pre-1950), as announced on MLB Network. He was a very good player with a short-ish career containing two elite seasons (1960 and 1961, when he won the AL MVP both times and broke Babe Ruth's home run record during the latter season). Rogers swing was crafted by Zeus for the right field dimensions of Yankee Stadium, and in his first season in The Bronx, Maris hit 39 home runs and led the league in runs batted in. Why Isn't Roger Maris in the Baseball Hall of Fame? WebMLB Never Forgave Roger Maris for Beating Babe Ruth Why isnt he in the Hall of Fame? Aaron Judge is on pace for 65+. Accomplishments after that date, the Frick ruling read, would be designated by an asterisk. I've actually changed my mind about Maris. PS: Regarding the Right Field Porch in Yankee Stadium , Roger Maris hit 31 of his 61 home runs on the road in 1961. The online betting stuff really bothers me too. . His family was from Croatia, and his birth name was spelled MARAS before it was Americanized later to avoid the ASS jokes. The whole subject is really sadRoger Maris career got derailed.He got forced by the Yankees to pursue going for pulled home runs too much in 61.Then, after my fellownYankee Fans started booing him in 1962 he , I believe, doubled down on the pulling8 rather than being more of a BillyWilliams (Cubs) type of hitter which was more natural for him.Then, the injuries, finally the disabling one to the wrist at the age of 30. Should Roger Maris (left) be in the Hall of Fame with Mickey Mantle? While Maris may not be a household name for younger MLB fans, Aaron Judge's quest for 62 home runs has shone a little on the former New York slugger. This is manifestly not true. Ken Burns baseball docuseries says that Maris started getting death threats and hate mail and stuff when he got close to the record. I have no doubt that it if had been 1959, he would have hit 55 or 54 homers, or whatever. Stallard got Maris out in his first at bat. WebThe only reason he still gets consideration is because of the 6 World Series he won with the Yanks because he was a phenomenal pitcher and post-season pitcher who played for one of the winningest dynasties in baseball history. And a melee broke out as fans scuffled and scrambled, fighting for the ball and the $5,000 reward. it could also mean he made contact. Yes I know Namath is already in. It was a great time to be a baseball fan. On the other, thats almost all youll be remembered for. Sixty-one for Maris!". Over his career, Reynolds posted a 182-107 record and 3.30 ERA in 434 career games (309 starts), logging 2,492 1/3 innings, 137 complete games and 36 shutouts. Fastball, hit deep to right! Roger Maris: Many still believe his 61 home runs in 1961 is still the single-season home run record. He played for four different teams (Cleveland Indians, Kansas City Royals, New York Yankees and St. Louis Cardinals). The Hall of Fame DOES have a records room which celebrates record holders and award winners, etc. Frank Howard is a left fielder, but I will admit he did play a few years in right. I do not believe he belongs in the Hall. Last night, Aaron Judge surpassed Roger Maris for both the New York Yankees' single-season home run record as well as the American League home run record. What if I'm a professional athlete and I use my nieces phone to bet the under. No, for decades the RBI stat (and homers) were extremely important to MVP voters. He really had little baseball left in him when he played his final games for the Cardinals in 1968. There is pretty clearly no ball being thrown or hit in this video. Yankees fans appreciate their team honoring Roger Maris and the 50th anniversary of his 61 in '61. If Aaron Judge eclipses him, itll be quite an accomplishment. Roger Maris, who had to be drained both physically and emotionally faced 24-year-old Red Sox right-hander Tracy Stallard. Aaron Judge is 6' 7 and over 280 lbs. WebRoger Maris deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because he made a permanent mark in baseball history. However, Roger was still five games ahead of the record pace by Ruth, whose 51st HR didn't come until his 139th game. He followed up with a 24-9 season in 69 to win another Cy Young. I'll probably get all 6s. Koufax was clearly one of the best arms in his prime, but his career was so brief, especially considering he didn't hit his stride until it was nearly halfway over! In 1999 the United States Postal Service issued a commemorative stamp honoring Roger Maris. Agree. It takes decades often for the narratives to soften for the MLB HOF voting members to offer their "peace pipe" & get excellence recognized. There's no contest to the fact other than giving Babe Ruth 162 games but we cannot do that. Yes the Yankees are my favorite team but I will watch just about any team that I can get on TV. That one was in the dirt. "Maz" was inducted mainly due to his eight Gold Gloves and World Series clinching home run in Game 7 of 1960 World Series. He can be reached atpwdonovan22@yahoo.com. Not sure without looking it up. Check out the movie *61 that Billy Crystal did in 2001. The guy was the best at his position for more than half his career. At least it still clings to 3 figures, the same seems not to apply about most who have posted here. Now, he doesnt even have that. I like Maris, I appreciate the stress he was under, I am sure that was difficult. Wiki User 2010-01-30 08:22:32 Study now See answer (1) Copy Roger Maris had a career batting average of .260, and 275 home runs. Low, ball two. Maris received three or fewer votes from the 16-member committee appointed by the Hall of Fame to review a 10-candidate Golden Era ballot. A two-time Most Valuable Player (1960, 61) and seven-time All-Star, Maris starred from 1957-68 with the Indians, Athletics, Yankees and Cardinals. Reynolds pitched a two-hit shutout in Game 1 of the 1949 World Series against the Brooklyn Dodgers in a 1-0 Yankees win. Two players who were incredibly famous for a few short years. In 1956, Mickey had hit 52 home runs for the Yankees and there were many, including me who saw him as the man to break Babe Ruth's season record of 60. Clearly, Maris was a very good player as evidenced by his 1960 MVP. Denny McClain: The last of the 30-game winners (20 wins is very rare now), he went 31-6 in 1968 to win the American League Cy Young Award for the Tigers. Mariss career stats will continue to be evaluated by future veterans committees, so for those pulling for him, theres always a possibility. I stand by what I wrote about Maris: there isnt enough of a career there to merit Hall of Fame election. Here are my reasons/rebuttals that Maris does not belong in the Hall of Fame. Nobody, it seemed, wanted him to break Babe Ruth's record. He WebNot because he did or didn't use steroids (the HoF is full of cheaters, and many of the legends of the game played at a time when some of the best players in the country were barred from the sport for being black), but because he simply did not have a HoF-worthy career. You don't think Barry Bonds could have hit 73 in 2001 without cheating when Maris hit 61 in 1961? He would hit two home runs in his first game as a Yankee, finishing the season with 39 home runs, a .283 batting average, and an MVP award. Maris is to Clemente, Kaline, Aaron, and Robinson as Kirk Gibson is to Reggie Jackson. Maris was elected MVP in 1960 because he led the league in RBI. Eliminate 1956 and Mantle is still an HOFer. Nothing like that in MLB since I've been watching baseball. He did it while being a teammate of the iconic Mickey Mantle and wearing the famed pinstripe uniform of the greatest team in sports. Before last night, both of these records were shared by both Maris and Judge for 61 total home runs. Maris won the Hickok Belt as the best professional athlete of the year and was voted Sport Magazine's Man of the Year, The Sporting News Player of the Year, the Associated Press Male Athlete of the Year and Sports Illustrated's Sportsman of the Year. How sweet. Reporters from all over the country had converged upon Yankee Stadium. The NL did not expand to 10 teams until 1962. setting a record does not warrant induction. By the end of his 12-year career, Maris went on to win three World Series Championships, two MVPs, and a Gold Glove Award, as well as being named to 7 All-Star teams. Maris doesnt have incredible career numbers 275 homers and 851. homers in 61. Buffet lunch and guest speakers. The Indians had a glut of outfielders in their organization and inexplicably ignored the 69 homers Maris hit in three seasons in their system. He was Over 1,463 games, Maris logged 195 doubles, 42 triples, 275 home runs and 850 RBIs. @ElvisP said: He earned a football scholarship to Oklahoma, but didnt like campus life and left in his freshman year to sign a contract with the Cleveland Indians. I wouldn't mind players getting into the HOF for extraordinary accomplishments.. Maris, Mattingly, Munson, Garvey, Dave Parker, Dale Murphy (another back to back MVP winner like Maris was), Keith Hernandez ~ all of them MVP's ~ all of them huge stars in their time. 500 homer's and 3k hits arent the only qualifications certainly. Quick Links: In a 162 game season, Roger Maris hit 61 home runs in 1961. Sign In. If Joe Namath is in the Football HOF, then I believe Roger Maris should also be in the baseball HOF. Or in life, for that matter. He did more in a few years than Baines, Simmons, and all other recent entries in the hall of good combined. But what makes you think Chet Lemon would know who belongs in the Hall of Fame? He would say later that Durante's generosity meant more to him than the media pressures and the catcalls from the pro-Ruth and pro-Mantle fans. Lets all return every book on Abraham Lincoln or new works on World War II, because the authors werent alive then. As soon as you said that Maris was a better defensive player than Roberto Clemente, any credibility you have is shot. In the video the right fielder looks like he's wearing the number 9. Bobby Thomson: His 1951 Shot Heard Round The World that won the pennant for the New York Giants (over those poor Brooklyn Dodgers) remains the most famous home run in history. He was great, but was unfortunately held back by the front office, bitter sportwriters fickle fans and injuries.He would have had lots of seasons like 1960 ( not 1961). Was it just his big lead in RBI to the extent of everything else? Maris was also a 7 time Allstar selection with Gold Gloves. https://EzineArticles.com/expert/Mickey_Morgan/1169320, http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Isnt-Roger-Maris-in-the-Baseball-Hall-of-Fame?&id=6537020. @CardGeek said: Roger Maris had a career batting average of .260, and 275 home runs. I like stuff like this more than almost anybody. PCGS | I don't even think there's a fair slippery slope case because in 60 years nobody without mostly verified allegations has topped him. Similarly, at least in my opinion, Hank Aaron remains baseballs all time Home Run leader to this day, regardless of Bud Selig, who was complicit in the era of In his final 2 years, he aided the cardimals to 2 pennants and 1 world series. Mickey was instrumental in convincing Roger to come back to Yankee Stadium to be honored by the club in the early 80's. Even the stars benefited from expansion, which was rational reaction to the growth of the talent pool. https://EzineArticles.com/expert/Mickey_Morgan/1169320, 2023 EzineArticlesAll Rights Reserved Worldwide. Born in Jersey City, N.J., Curry graduated from Fordham University. You can probably assume that means a HR, especially if that was a statement he used frequently. Yes, clearly they got every fan in the stadium to react at the same time and be in on the scam. I believe he needs to be inducted. This also helped to counter the negative impact from the shift in the National League from smaller stadiums to the larger multi-purpose stadiums. Roger Maris played Major League Ball (MLB) for 12 seasons, from 1957-1968. Maris would be a very unusual selection for the Hall of Fame. Successful dealings with Wcsportscards94558, EagleEyeKid, SamsGirl214, Volver, DwayneDrain, Oaksey25, Griffins, Cardfan07, Etc. Should Roger Clemens Be Voted Into the Hall of Fame? I wouldnt agree that Maris was the best right fielder in baseball for half his career. Maris' first year in pinstripes, in 1960, netted him the first of two consecutive MVP awards. in which I wrote that his 61 home runs looked better than ever after a half century. I think you might be surprised what can be staged. All rights reserved. I've always been a big Maris fan, but don't see how it would be possible to make it into the Hall after an 11-year career. In our list of the Top 100 Right Fielders of All-Time, he ranks 47th, sandwiched between Kirk Gibson and Kiki Cuyler, both of whom were (like Maris) excellent athletes, but not all-time legends. Most Yankees fans were rooting for his home-grown teammate, Mickey Mantle. Granted, it has been a few years since I have been to the HOF, but I would argue that, sans a plaque, Maris is as much in the HOF as some of those with plaques. If I remember right, Killebrew, Cash and Gentile and perhaps others in the AL. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Dan Holmes is the author of three books about baseball, including Ty Cobb: A Biography. Maris stood out, but many had career years in these two years - Cash, Gentile, Davis among others. I didn't know it was fake when I started this thread. Roger Maris trotted out the historic home run. When truck driver Sal Durante sought to give Maris the ball he had caught in the stands, the star declined, insisting that Durante should receive the bounty. The HOF has really gone downhill and has become the hall of pretty good so Maris should be in. I do not agree with every decision the Veterans Committee makes but I am appreciative there is a mechanism to get guys in after the Voters have spoken for 10 years time. There were many others who hit 40 plus, that year. The game took 1 hour, 15 minutes. He had great impact in his era. The commissioner, Ford Frick, refused to What has happened to sports cards in the past 20 years really bothers me. Even if you werent as good as the man who played center field next to you. South Dakota?? This is the short version. MANY players elected in the hall did not have the stats or years of modern day electees. Still other readers say that Mariss relatively short career should not I wrote a whole long rant and deleted it. Which was very considerate, since years later Billy Crystal made a movie titled 61* about that season. As well as modest. Give him his goddamned plaque. What if a lot of people had money on Maris not breaking this record and the commissioner just gave it to him for publicity. If nothing else, Maris should at least have a spot in the Hall of Fame . This last is simply not true. Nearly all my baseball knowledge comes from reading Beckett and trading sports cards when I was in junior high and high school. His teammates finally let him into the dugout. Roger was an outstanding outfielder if you remember the 1962 World Series against he made a play in the rightfield corner holding Willie Mays at third to preserve a Yankee World Championship. By the end of his 12-year career, Maris went on to win three World Series Championships, two MVPs, and a Customer Service. The 6-foot, 197-pound outfielder belted 39 homers (one behind Mantle's league-leading 40), led the AL with 112 RBI and a.581 slugging percentage, hit a career-high.283 and won his only Gold Glove. A HOF career should involve more than just one great year (with exigent circumstances, expansion weakened pitching) and two good years. Ruth was on fire, hitting five HRs in his last three games and nine in his last 11. I don't know, but that's the sort of conversation we should have had. Roger Maris has no Hall of Fame case. I hate that Golden Gloves are just throw away facts when considering the HOF. Instead of being his crowning achievement, the race to 61 was a miserable experience filled with stress and ridicule. As we show in our 100 Greatest Right Fielders rankings, Evans is well deserving: https://baseballegg.com/all-time-player-rankings/baseballs-greatest-right-fielders-of-all-time/, Mick you have made absolutely fantastic observations. @53BKid said: During the 1961 season, Maris hit 61 home runs for the New York Yankees, breaking Babe Ruth's single-season record of 60 home runs (set in 1927), a record that stood for 37 years. There were over 500 other baseball players during this expansion era and they did not hit 61 home runs. Nobody, it seemed, wanted him to break Babe Ruth's record. He ranks 64th in BBRef WAR among right fielders. I remember the newspapers and sports magazines were trying to create an adversary relationship between Roger and Mickey. Or maybe the book would only have to win the big ones 10% more often than they should. Kaat pitched briefly for the Yankees in 1979 and 80, then won seven Emmy Awards in the Yankees broadcast booth for MSG Network and the YES Network. I've always been a big Maris fan, but don't see how it would be possible to make it into the Hall after an 11-year career. Expert But he actually only had five seasons where he qualified for the batting title. Breaking Babe Ruth's single season home run record pretty much cemented his name in popular culture. Silva wrote: Comets are fast! When Is A Future Hall Of Fame Manager Not Missed? He absolutely legitimately hit 61 in '61, no ifs and or buts about it!!! And the boos get louderTwo balls, no strikes on Roger Maris. Its not the first time his name has been on a special committee ballot, but given the advanced analysis we have today for evaluating ballplayers, this time the former Yankee slugger has as good a chance as any to be elected. Yankees All-Time Team >The 100 Greatest Right Fielders of All-Time >The All-Time Player Rankings >20 Greatest Yankees of All-Time >. While the Hall of Fame may always elude Maris, the rejuvination of interest in his career may work in his favor to one day get the call to Cooperstown. I thnk Roger should b in the Hall. Seems about right for the situation. Known as Superchief, Reynolds was the Yankees best pitcher of the late 1940s and early 1950s. And, just as importantly to me, inducting Maris would be an indirect way to acknowledge that not only did Maris set that record, he holds that record to this day. I changed the contrast on this image. Bo Jackson: Maybe the best of all two-sport athletes. There are players in the HOF that didnt have anywhere near the impact on Baseball & the fan excitement that Roger did, I know b/c I was alive. Roger Maris had light-brown hair, a square jaw, fair-skin, and green eyes. Thats true. Maris received three or fewer votes from the 16-member committee appointed by the Hall of Fame to review a 10-candidate Golden Era ballot. Kind of like Tiger Woods. I was in my early teens in 61 and remember the home run race well. It looks like you're new here. The only evidence of Mazeroski's homer is seeing Yogi Berra looking up dejectedly and Mazeroski circling the bases. Fans of Roger Maris were quick to respond to my column Sunday, Maris was the MVP that year and also won the award the previous season for the Yankees. If Joe Namath is in the Football HOF, then I believe Roger Maris should also be in the baseball HOF. The arguments against Maris include his struggles with durability and longevity, with his 1,463 games played being on the very low end for a candidate. A pitcher with a career batting average of .192! I think it's kinda interesting that his mic failed during the all star game. If you can consider players like Barry Bonds and others who are accused of cheating and using peds and other drugs to get an advantage than you should put players Roger Maris and Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame without hesitation. Maris for hall is mainly sentiment. But he fizzled out after that and was finished at age 28. His Wins Above Replacement in 1960 was 7.5, the highest in the American League. Does he deserve to be in? Submitted On September 02, 2011. Maybe that doesnt put him over the top, but it deserves more than a brief mention. Scan this QR code to download the app now. It's like the 1974 MVP races where there was no reason to vote for either winner. Maybe he doesn't have the greatest career stats. Great movie. The commissioner, Ford Frick, refused to attend any of the games during his historic chase, and even decided to place the ridiculous asterisk in the record book. McGwire said that breaking the single season home run record was a gift from the guy upstairs. There is pretty clearly no ball being thrown or hit in this video. ( COOPERSTOWN, NY) The 1961 baseball season, which found Americans riveted to the great Maris-Mantle home run race, will be celebrated upon its 60th anniversary with the donation of a Roger Maris Yankees jersey from that season. Thanks for the article. Still waiting on my last PSA submission. Some fans disagreed with my saying Maris does not quite reach the standards of the Baseball Hall of Fame because of his modest batting average (.260), Were gathering again for a baseball Hot Stove Luncheon (with a dash of NFL, too) on Thursday, Jan. 20 at 11:45 a.m. at Palm Valley Country Club in Palm Desert. As a Yankee fan for 70 years, I applaud Bob Greenes Cheer on Judge but Dont Forget Maris (op-ed, Oct. 7). According to the record he wore the number 19 for the 1961 season only. I just watched 61 the other day. Pretty huge accomplishment. I wouldn't say he's more famous than Pete Rose.
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