That's too big for Bobcat. Peter Biello: Worth mentioning if we're scaring anybody question a mysterious mountain lions lurking perhaps in someone's backyard. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. McEnroe: It is an uphill challenge. Mike you're on the air. There was the vaguest of trails, crisscrossed by deadfalls and a sharp-thorned bush that soon drew blood from Ottmanns right hand. In 2011, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service unofficially declared the Eastern cougar extinct. They just end up in these places. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. 2023 Yankee publishing, Inc., An Employee-Owned company, all rights reserved. The debate rages in Maine, where the last confirmed cougar kill occurred in 1938, and in New Hampshire, where the last confirmed kill was in 1885. It was his great coolness and daring (either that, or fear) that enabled Crowell to shoot the animal at a distance of one rod only (roughly 16 feet), first hitting it in the leg with his shotgun, then dispatching it with a bullet to the head from a borrowed rifle. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. Have there been others reporting this big cat recently? The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. So do they. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. Part of this belief is rooted in his journalistic experience, which across the decades has cultivated his nose for sincerity. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. If its not, you just thank the person and say good-bye.. brings a lot of. Ottmann grew up and still lives just minutes from the tavern; his familiarity with the establishment was obvious (after we met in the parking lot, he led me into the building through the kitchen, greeting each of the staff by name). Bill and I are full-throttle. Ive seen more field evidence in a couple of hours tracking out west than Ive seen in 100 years on the East Coast, he said. So long as the tails there, that is. Re(1): Webster update - Misunderstanding! You might think that it would be easy to tell the two cat species apart. And you know all that. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. There were caribou antlers mounted above the front doors, and the interior walls were covered in row upon row of books; a long table was piled high with still more books in seemingly random arrangements. Seal pup cuteness best observed from a distance, 70% ineligible in start of NH Medicaid unwinding. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. He also collects sighting reports on his blog, simply dubbed, "New Hampshire Mountain Lion." The blog still gets sightings, most recently on Aug. 3. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. Within six weeks, he continued, I was getting off the plane in Jackson Hole for a national mountain lion conference. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. I started asking a lot of questions, and realized theres only one explanation for the answers I was getting: They are here., You could have 30 in Connecticut alone. Given the long, shared border between these provinces and New England, along with plentiful evidence that other species cross this border regularly, it seems entirely possible that cougars would also engage in international travel. No that's a little bit outside the range. Sam. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. So give us a call now. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. I have no choice but to take this seriously, he told me. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. Mountain Lions Spotted Spotted in Woodbridge, CT - NECN Well Is DNA the most reliable means we have of identifying whether or not what we saw is actually a mountain lion. Learn more about the two confirmed reports of mountain lions in Massachusetts atmass.gov/dfw/mt-lions. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. Its quite an uphill challenge for us to manage that situation right now. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Really appreciate it. Caller: Yeah. ML Sighting - By Joe September 19, 2016 at 00:31:14 AM. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. And thats a surprisingly complex question, because it hinges on numerous factors: policy and politics, culture and conditioning, habitat and, frankly, hubris. hen I accepted the assignment to write about my quest to uncover the truth regarding the existence of cougars in New England, I had little idea what I was agreeing to. I didn't see him online. The USDA's Forest Service Wildlife Genetics Laboratory found that the animal came from South Dakota. It was his great coolness and daring (either that, or fear) that enabled Crowell to shoot the animal at a distance of one rod only (roughly 16 feet), first hitting it in the leg with his shotgun, then dispatching it with a bullet to the head from a borrowed rifle. Get up-to-the-minute news sent straight to your device. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. Do they travel. Share sensitive information only on official, secure websites. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. Before I departed the Old Well Tavern, Bo Ottmann offered to lead me on a walk into an adjacent stretch of woods, where, he assured me, cougars might be found. Tell us your story. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. Harrigans interest in cougars was sparked in the late 70s, after he took ownership of The Coos County Democrat and began noticing the steady influx of reported sightings. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. Pinterest. And Im assuming whatever were doing right now, its not working. This isnt to say she believes none of these animals has stepped foot on New England soil over the past century. There were pine cones on window sills, a well-used hatchet and a variety of animal figurines on display, and, near the television, a stack of videos including Life of a Predator and The African Lion. Well within there. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Lion tales: Some believe cougars occasionally roam the N.H. forests Patrick Tate: Yes. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board, Mountain lion/wolf sightings in Central Ma, Re(1): Mountain lion/wolf sightings in Central Ma, Re(2): Mountain lion/wolf sightings in Central Ma, Ellisville State Park cougar killed crossing 3A in S. Plymouth, MA, Re(1): Ellisville State Park cougar killed crossing 3A in S. Plymouth, MA, Re(2): Ellisville State Park cougar killed crossing 3A in S. Plymouth, MA, Sighting just over CT border into Vista, NY, Re(1): Sighting just over CT border into Vista, NY, VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(1): VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(2): VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(3): VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(4): VideoWild cat sighting, North Scituate, RI, Re(1): Mountain lion/bobcat?/North Andover. Post a New Message | Search | New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board . We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. Re(2): Webster update - Misunderstanding! Patrick Tate: So I'm not sure what subspecies of cat they're using to differentiate by those markings but once she was describing the White other face in the black. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. So. Seeing the real thing is always possible, but a sighting of a genuine Moun-tain Lion in New England is so rare that it is the wildlife equivalent of winning a jackpot in the MegaMillions lottery. New Hampshire Public Radio | The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. Sam Evans-Brown: Certainly that is a thing I've heard but again you have to think of the incentives involved here. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. McEnroe: Scientifically, this is a case where absence of evidence is kind of evidence of absence, right? It was not in any hurry. The unheralded hero of Apollo John Hubble the man who knew the way to the moon. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. (Dont use my name as others think Im crazy). Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. Think You Saw A Mountain Lion in N.H.? - New Hampshire Public Radio . The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. It's one piece that he wrote, that I have used in discussing the possibility of hard-to-believe sightings and I quote, People are always hopeful that what they have seen is something unusual, rather than just common and mundane.. There is also a small population in southern Florida. Can you look into this picture. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. If so that's for us as an agency. Morse has been tracking cougars for 45 years, mostly in the mountains of the West, where their existence is not in doubt. Patrick Tate: Yes. Mistaken reports of mountain lions in Massachusetts are most commonly Bobcats. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. All of which is to say that if Alexander Crowell wasnt afraid on that long-ago Thanksgiving Day, he probably should have been. Patrick Tate: Okay. This is part of the cougar business. ghost, Re(3): didnt win the pwrball. The last catamount in Vermont is finally, officially, certainly dead. Rye NH Mountain Lion sighting - By Iiro Lehtinen September 19, 2016 at 02:24:00 PM. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. These were normal everyday folks. They were able to do all that by genetics. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. A:I have hoped to see a big cat, that is bigger than a bobcat, since NatureWatch began getting reports in the 1980s. Ive seen bobcats before, this wasnt a bobcat. And its a lose-lose situation, because theres really not a whole lot you can tell them in most cases thats going to change their mind.. As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. Now again I don't know that there's anything to that. We have seen them run through our yard. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Thanks for your call. To date, Keeping Track has helped conserve 40,000 acres in 12 states and inQuebec. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. Case 1 It's listed as population of least concern. No I saw a camel. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. Massachusetts and several other New England states have bear hunting, or harvest, seasons, which proponents say help control populations. I dont ever say to people, Thats not what you saw. I say, I hope you saw one, Spatz told me when I called him at his home in upstate New York. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. But its also a great story that lays out how an animal this large, at 150 pounds, traveling through even rural areas, leaves signs and is detected. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. In 2011, the U.S. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. Sighting: An animal is seen by the public and is . What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. That's pretty elaborate. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. They don't know the direction they're going. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. What do you think that. Caller: I have yeah. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. Here's where sightings have occurred since. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. You dont even have to go out and look for it.. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. It was a flooded area. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. The scarlet pimpernel, a sprawling plant with scarlet flowers, is a non-native species brought over from Europe. Hawley: Yeah. Betsy started as an intern at WNPR in 2011 after earning a Master's Degree in American and Museum Studies from Trinity College. Abbott acknowledged that mountain lions out west have huge ranges. Okay. Ottmann and I walked farther. All other reports of mountain lions in Massachusetts have turned out to be other animals. There are an estimated 3,000 - 7,000 Mountain lions in Colorado. So what those ranges. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. Mountain lions live in the state. Mountain lion ambushes 70-year-old hiker in Utah canyon. He fought it Explore. We hadnt seen a cougar, nor any evidence to suggest a cougar had traveled these woods recently. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. John you're on the air. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. Oh well, not much I can do about that., William B., of Pittsfield wrote, I learned something from your column about invasive species. In Massachusetts Wildlife magazine (No. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. She lives near the end of a gravel road in a modest, low-slung house tucked into the flanks of the Green Mountains. Does not test random Scouts. As livestock farming came to dominate the landscape, pressure on the big cats slowly mounted on two fronts: The number of farmers wanting them dead was increasing, while the rapid transition from forest to farmland meant their habitat was shrinking. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. And they were using all the habitat. New England Mountain Lion Sightings - YouTube These highlights have been edited and condensed for length and clarity. Because they are.. They're just moving around freely. Peter Biello: Yeah. And so. So before we get to the the the the stories of sightings we're getting a lot of calls. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. Based on this blurry photo and pawprints, DEEP confirmed it was likely a mountain lion. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. Mike thanks for your call. Weve done a lot of work over the years investigating sightings. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Squam Lake: Home of mountain lions - Concord Monitor Robert Miller: So, you think you saw a mountain lion in CT? Because he lives among them, Harrigan understands that no one knows the woods better. We think theyre coming in from Canada, Betty told me. It used to be that a bear would go into a house when someone wasnt home. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. Over a period of a year and a half, this mountain lion left DNA evidence in at least four states. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. He drove me out to the spot. Morse introduced me to her cat, Allister, whom she referred to as her portable puma. Then she fetched me a beer. Overview and Background Im not an expert on human psychology, but if youre looking for something, you have a greater chance of actually seeing it. But other hard evidence of the big cats presence is elusive. Now and then MassWildlife gets a report with a photo of a mountain lion. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board, Re(1): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, Re(2): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, Re(3): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, Re(4): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, Re(5): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, didnt win the pwrball. If mountain lions returned to Massachusetts, there is no need to update current forest management practices. On the idea of bear hunting in Connecticut. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. Its documented through track surveys, aerial surveys, trapping and collaring surveys. It's good to talk to you. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. There was a tin of American Spirit tobacco on the table (Ottmanns), a laptop (Bettys), a notebook (mine), and a tumbler of Bacardi and Coke (Ottmanns again). Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. It seems like nothing will kill them! Bobcats in Feeding Hills - By Claire October 3, 2014 at 09:39:37 PM. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. Both cases meet the evidence requirements of MassWildlife. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. OK. Give today. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. Still more confusion ensued when a lab technician said she might have gotten some samples confused, and thus the canid result was thrown into doubt. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. Nowhere in New England is the matter definitively settled. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. I pull it up but may not have done so soon enough. Most mountain lion sightings are reported without any evidence other than eyewitness descriptions. Q: I recently read the book "The Scarlet Pimpernel" by Sir Percy Blakeney and was telling a friend about it, and she reminded me that it is also is a wildflower. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department An adult male bobcat can reach four feet in length and 35-40 pounds. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. The deadline for fuel assistance applications is Sunday, but most state emergency funds are still unspent. We even had a sighting someone here at DEEP, in my office, was convinced they saw a mountain lion. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. For mountain lions in Connecticut, a lack of evidence is very good evidence. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. Betty folded his arms across his chest, where they rose and fell and rose again with his breathing. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. Let's look for other evidence. Right. Its not my call. There's no attraction. Clearly, Puma concoloronce inhabited the forests of the Northeast, although its difficult to say in what numbers. A typical adult male will weigh up to. Alleged Athol MA picture - By weather01089 September 8, 2016 at 12:35:45 PM. People often get very emotional about it, Hawley says. Hawley, a wildlife biologist with the state Department of Energy and Environmental Protection, says data dont support a breeding population of mountain lions in Connecticut. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal likely trekked more than 1,500 miles from South Dakota, a journey that was captured by trail camera (above). I live pretty much on the town line of Greenfield just a couple of miles down in the Greenfield. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. He said matter of fact I do. There are no mountain lions in Connecticut, so why do we keep seeing them? When I accepted the assignment to write about my quest to uncover the truth regarding the existence of cougars in New England, I had little idea what I was agreeing to. Support NHPR by becoming a sustaining member today! Mountain lions became scarce in the East after a bounty system wiped out most predatory animals. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board
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